Blackmore: Livings Family (2)

Sent
3 April 2010

Hello Michael

If you have been following the website and blog you might be aware that I am engaged in researching with others in the village the names of those recorded on Blackmore parish War Memorial prior to it being cleaned and re-engraved this summer. Of the 102 names listed of fallen and survivors of the First World we have identified data for all but seven. One of them is “Pte T Livings. Essex” who came through the war.

I attach a photograph of the relevant face of the memorial and below list those Livings living in Blackmore in 1901. My question is ‘Do you know who T Livings could be?’

5.8 Pte. T. Livings Essex
2 families, but no realistic candidate:
76 Spriggs Lane Livings Thomas head m 76
76 Spriggs Lane Livings Mary Ann wife m 70
76 Spriggs Lane Livings Jesse son s 32
118 Wyatts Green Livings William head 56
118 Wyatts Green Livings Eliza wife 58
118 Wyatts Green Livings George son 25
118 Wyatts Green Livings Richard son 20

I hope you can help us.

Andrew


Received
3 April 2010

Your finding are correct:
(I am descended from Thomas's eldest Brother, James b 1821).
Thomas Livings born May 1825 Blackmore, Christened 15/05/1825 Blackmore & Died 1903 Ongar
Married 02/08/1851 Fryerning to
Mary Ann Brazier Born 1830 Fryerning
They had 8 children:
Mary Ann b 1851 Fryerning, c Oct 1851 Fryerning, d 1866 Fryerning buried Fryerning 10/11/1866
Eliza b 1853 Fryerning
Eleanor b 1855 Fryerning
Sophia b 1857 Fryerning
Emma 1860 Fryerning
Walter May 1866 Fryerning, c 26/05/1866 Fryerning
Passoover b 1864 Fryerning
Jesse b. Nov 1871 Blackmore, d. 1933


Replied
3 April 2010

Hello Michael

Thanks for this information. I am looking for a ‘T Livings’ who came through the 1914-18 war and is commemorated on the Blackmore War Memorial. Your Thomas is not the right one because of the date of his death in 1903. In all probability, though, the T Livings is a Thomas. Blackmore’s Burial Register has a Thomas Livings who died in 1934 aged 79 but this would make him too old to serve in the First World War. Do you have any clues please?

Specifically to your ancestors I can confirm the following information from Blackmore’s Burial Register (1893-1992), the original of which is kept in the church safe at St Laurence Church, Blackmore:
Thomas Livings born May 1825 Blackmore, Christened 15/05/1825 Blackmore. Buried. 22.12.1903. 78 years
Married 02/08/1851 Fryerning to Mary Ann Brazier Born 1830 Fryerning. Buried. 6.1.1911. Age 81. Abode “55 Cromwell Road, South Weald”
They had 8 children:
Mary Ann b 1851 Fryerning, c Oct 1851 Fryerning, d 1866 Fryerning buried Fryerning 10/11/1866
Eliza b 1853 Fryerning
Eleanor b 1855 Fryerning
Sophia b 1857 Fryerning
Emma 1860 Fryerning
Walter May 1866 Fryerning, c 26/05/1866 Fryerning
Passoover b 1864 Fryerning. Burial: Passover Livings. Fingrith Hall Lane, Blackmore. 23.12.1944. age 82.
Jesse b. Nov 1871 Blackmore, d. 1933

Comments welcome

Andrew

Received
3 April 2010

I am not aware of any Livings descendants of Thomas Livings (1825), although I know that his Son Passoover (1864) in 1894 married Rebecca Ovel at Ongar. She was born 1864 at High Ongar.
They had 4 children:
Thomas Livings b 1896 High Ongar
Nellie b 1898 High Ongar
Mary b 1899 High Ongar
Joseph b 1900 High Ongar

If you ever discover any other descendants of Thomas, please let me know.


Received
3 April 2010

Probably then it is the son of William & Eliza. Thomas Livings b1873/4, who died about 1915 (WWI as Rfn A/1211)

otherwise, Thomas Livings b 1896 High Ongar, son of Passoover Livings & Rebecca Ovel


Replied
3 April 2010

Hello Michael

Passover and Rebecca Livings appear on the Electoral Register for 1918 (see http://seax.essexcc.gov.uk/Images.Net/?ID=887942&intThisRecordsOffSet=&intOffSet=) so I am reasonably confident that their son Thomas is the person recorded as the survivor on the War Memorial.

The other Thomas, who served in the 7th Battalion King’s Rifle Corps as Rifleman Thomas Livings, died on 30 July 1915 and is commemorated on the Ypres (Menin Gate) Memorial. (CWGC reference: http://www.cwgc.org/search/casualty_details.aspx?casualty=1619121).

Many thanks for helping us to identify one of the names.

Andrew


Received
3 April 2010

Thank you for the extra war service information.

Thomas Livings 1896 and I are 2nd cousins, twice removed. Our common ancestors are Thomas Livings 1798 of Blackmore & Sarah Joice c1800 of Shenfield.

It would be so nice to be able to find direct-line descendants of all the inscribed names and perhaps have them photographed at the refurbished memorial. Very much doubt if this would be possible or likely, but perhaps some would be able to attend.


Replied
4 April 2010

Hello Michael

The Blackmore War Memorial Research Project Group has turned up some additional information about the Livings family which may be of interest to you.

In the 1911 census there is a Thomas Livings from 'Blashmore', born 1874, living in Barking with his family. He worked in the building trade. His wife came from Mountnessing and among the children is a son called Thomas. Thomas (the father) is probably the Thomas who died in the Great War.

Then there is the 1881 census which shows the family composition with Thomas (aforementioned grandfather to Thomas recorded on the War Memorial as a survivor) as Head and Passover, father of our Thomas, in 1881.

Finally, there was some discussion as to whether Pte T Livings could be Pte J Livings. We discounted this because the letters are distinct on the War Memorial, but not before commenting about a Joseph Livings (aka Dangger) was buried at Blackmore in 1979 aged 78 so may be just old enough to serve but too young (by weeks) to be on the 1901 census.

“Well, Dangar is a name to conjure with. He lived in Church Street Cottage, anciently the Kings Head. He did some obscure and unspecified work for Ted Marriage, and we always said hullo as he came past”

Dangger's life is covered in Blackmore's Silver Jubilee booklet (1977). I was around someone's home with invited local residents. His name came up in conversation. "All the characters have gone now" one said. I replied rather dryly that they hadn't and that they were probably all sitting around the table at this moment!

Regards

Andrew


Received
4 April 2010

Thank you for your emails.

After having acquired almost 1600 members of my family tree, I am surprised that there still may be other branches that I have yet to add. I have been researching for a couple of years now and so far it has not cost me a penny. However, I think that the time has come now for me to fork-out and start looking into the post 1880 entries.

Incidentally and I don't know if it has any bearing on your own research, but Thomas Livings' middle name was James (this Thomas Livings, born 1895, whose parents were Passover Livings and Rebecca Ovel).

Michael